A Podcast

Gurus: The Story of Acting,
from Stanislavsky to Succession

A twenty-one episode journey through one hundred years of theatrical revolution — from Stanislavsky's Moscow to the Actors Studio, from Copeau's Vieux-Colombier to Juilliard.

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Gurus: The Story of Acting, from Stanislavsky to Succession

"How did actors learn to be truthful? Who taught them, and who taught the teachers?"

The Story of Acting traces the invisible lineage connecting the great teachers and practitioners of the modern stage. Hosted by Jeff Zinn, each episode illuminates a pivotal figure or moment in the two-hundred-year history of how actors are trained — and transformed.

From Rudolf Steiner's philosophy to Stella Adler's rebellion, from Michael Chekhov's spiritual imagination to the Juilliard Drama Division's founding, the podcast draws on rare archival sources, original interviews with celebrated actors, and decades of research.

Vieux-Colombier company with Copeau
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The Complete Series

Episode 02
Episode 02
Collision on West 44th Street
In 1935 the Group Theatre is on Broadway with Awake and Sing, while down the block, Michael Chekhov stars in a Russian Language Inspector General. Stella Adler heads backstage to ask Chekhov to teach the Group. A very young Beatrice Straight, heiress to the Whitney family fortune, pitches Chekhov to create his own company on a sprawling English estate at Dartington Hall. Guess who wins.
Episode 03
Episode 03
Conversation: Alfre Woodard
Academy Award nominee and Emmy Award winner Alfre Woodard joins Jeff to discuss how training shaped her extraordinary career — and what she believes young actors most need to understand about the craft today.
Alfre Woodard Alfre Woodard
Episode 04
Episode 04
Sir Herbert
What came before Stanislavsky? In the late 19th century, Sir Herbert Beerbohm Tree was an actor, director and theater owner in London. He was the original Henry Higgins in Pygmalion directed by Shaw himself, and he founded the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art (RADA.) Today he is forgotten. Tree's theatre of excess demanded something new and different and true.
Episode 05
Episode 05
Young Kostya
Stanislavsky, the early days. If you set out to raise a child who would grow to become a great actor, director, and theatrical guru, this is how you would go about it: expose him to all the arts, build him his own theater, and make sure he has plenty of money to pursue his hobbies. Just don't be surprised when he abandons the family business and goes pro.
Episode 07
Episode 07
Conversation: Alan Ruck
Alan Ruck — beloved for his role as Connor Roy in Succession — talks with Jeff about his training, his process, and why he believes the Method debate misses the point of what acting actually requires.
Alan Ruck Alan Ruck
Episode 08
Episode 08
Anton Chekhov's Story
The shift in theatrical styles at the end of the 1800s was prompted by a parallel literary transformation. In fiction, figures like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky opened the door. Playwrights like Ibsen, Strindberg and Shaw, demanded a new actor that would render authentic human behavior. Anton Chekhov was the essential playwright in that moment. In this episode we hear his back story and listen to letters between him and his wife, Olga Knipper, star of the Moscow Art Theatre.
Episode 09
Episode 09
Conversation: Cherry Jones
When Jeff Zinn met Cherry Jones at the ART in 1988, she was already well established as a founding member of the resident company. During her time there she would play leading roles in more than two dozen productions including King Lear, Three Sisters, As You Like It, and Twelfth Night. From the ART she went to New York and quickly became one of Broadway\'s most reliable leading ladies, winning Tony awards for Doubt and The Heiress, and multiple awards and nominations for major roles including The Glass Menagerie, Angels in America, Moon for the Misbegotten, and The Baltimore Waltz.
Cherry Jones Cherry Jones
Episode 11
Episode 11
Conversation: David Patrick Kelly
He couldn't afford Juilliard, so he set out to cobble together a kind of DIY conservatory experience. That journey would take him to Paris where he trained with Marcel Marceau, then back to America where he would find his way into the avant-garde theater of Richard Foreman, Hollywood action movies, and the strange world of David Lynch. In-between takes he got on-set tutorials from Christopher Plummer, Max Von Sydow and Chris Walken.
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Episode 12
Episode 12
The Moscow Art Theatre: a Hard Birth
The founding years were brutal. Stanislavsky and Nemirovich-Danchenko fought constantly. Their company - a sprawling behemoth that would come to employ hundreds of actors, directors, designers and technical staff - nearly collapsed. And yet from these struggles emerged not only a theatre, but a systematic approach to the actor's art that would transform the world of the theatre forever.
Episode 13
Episode 13
Conversation: B.D. Wong
B.D. Wong seemed to come out of nowhere when he won multiple Best Actor awards — including a Tony — for his role in David Henry Hwang's M. Butterfly in 1988. In this conversation we hear how he landed that part, and how it was shaped by his hippie acting teacher in LA, a team of expert voice and movement coaches, the brilliant but abusive British director Jon Dexter, and his very generous costar, John Lithgow. He shares his process for building a character, his feelings about the Method and actors who go too far immersing themselves in a role, and the one thing he does just before "action." We also hear how he has navigated an incredibly varied career that has included recurring roles on Oz, Law & Order, Gotham, Mr. Robot, Nora From Queens, and the Jurassic Park film and video game franchise.
Episode 15
Episode 15
Conversation: Jessica Pimentel
Jessica Pimentel is best known for her work in seven seasons of the Netflix series Orange is the New Black, for which she earned four Screen Actors Guild Award nominations and three wins for best ensemble. A trained concert violinist who also plays guitar, electric bass, and keyboards, Jessica was born and raised in Brooklyn to immigrant parents from the Dominican Republic. She is a Latina of mixed heritage including Native American, Italian, Malian, Irish, and Iberian ancestry. A graduate of the High School for the Performing Arts in New York City and the American Academy of Dramatic Arts, she was awarded the Cleavon Little Scholarship and was a member of the professional acting company.
Episode 17
Episode 17
Conversation with Michael Cerveris
At the age of 25, Michael Cerveris was playing the hot new kid from Britain in the TV series Fame. Fast forward 30 years and Cerveris is a seasoned pro with 10 Broadway credits, 4 Tony nominations and 2 wins - not surprising after seeing all that early promise in the young star of Fame. But how did he get there? In this conversation Michael Cerveris talks about his training pathway.
Michael Cerveris Michael Cerveris
Episode 19
Episode 19
Conversation with Neal Huff
Broadway veteran Neal Huff seems to have had an instinct for searching out just the right teachers and institutions at just the right time. He describes them as stones in a river placed before him that allowed him to take the next important step in his journey. In this conversation he talks about the relationship between training and professional practice, and what it means to build a life as a working actor in the American theatre.

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About Gurus

Creator, Writer, Narrator, Host

Jeff Zinn

Jeff Zinn is best known as the longtime Artistic Director of Wellfleet Harbor Actors Theater (WHAT) where he produced almost 200 productions, many of which he directed. As an actor he made his Equity debut as "Danny" in David Mamet's Sexual Perversity In Chicago at the Cherry Lane Theatre, and appeared on Broadway with Derek Jacobi in The Suicide. He has narrated many audiobooks including A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn. His book, The Existential Actor: Life and Death, Onstage and Off (Smith and Kraus Publishing) was published in 2015.

Music, Editing and Mixing

J Hagenbuckle

J Hagenbuckle is writer, director and producer for Cape Noir Radio Theater which broadcasts bi-monthly on WOMR in Provincetown. He emerges remarkably unscathed from a 30 plus year career as a freelance sound designer/composer for theater that began with a Jeff Zinn directed David Rabe play called "Goose & Tom Tom" in 1988 at W.H.A.T. in Wellfleet, Cape Cod. This crazy train has taken him On and Off Broadway, to London, many Boston and Regional theaters including 13 seasons at The Berkshire Theater Festival, 11 seasons at Commonwealth Shakespeare Company, 10 years at Hartford TheaterWorks. Along the way he was the first sound designer to receive Boston's Elliot Norton Award for Outstanding Designer, he's an NEA/TCG Design Fellow and earned an MFA in Theater Arts from Brandeis.

Creative Consultant

Brendan Hughes

Brendan Patrick Hughes spent his early childhood on a commune near Boston that was started by the inventor of rubber gloves. There, he would routinely nap in the sun on the stomach of a lazy bull named Stanley. He is now a film director and producer, podcast creator, professor and performance artist working in Los Angeles and New York. He has directed one feature film, several short films, about a hundred plays, one opera, the second season of a fiction podcast, a couple of documentaries, undergrads at Harvard, Yale, Pace, and Occidental, and even some Apple employees in an 'authenticity on camera' workshop. He is a graduate of Yale School of Drama's directing program.

Selected Sources

Essential Books

  • An Actor Prepares — Konstantin Stanislavsky
  • Building a Character — Konstantin Stanislavsky
  • Creating a Role — Konstantin Stanislavsky
  • My Life in Art — Konstantin Stanislavsky
  • To the Actor — Michael Chekhov
  • Impro — Keith Johnstone
  • Improvisation for the Theater — Viola Spolin
  • Respect for Acting — Uta Hagen
  • A Dream of Passion — Lee Strasberg
  • The Technique of Acting — Stella Adler
  • Sanford Meisner on Acting — Sanford Meisner & Dennis Longwell
  • The Empty Space — Peter Brook
  • An Actor's Work — Konstantin Stanislavsky (trans. Benedetti)
  • Stanislavsky: A Life — Jean Benedetti
  • Michael Chekhov: A Critical Portrait — Mel Gordon

Further Reading

  • The Moscow Art Theatre — Nick Worrall
  • Jacques Copeau — John Rudlin
  • Michel Saint-Denis and the Shaping of the Modern Actor — Katharine Cockin
  • Joan Littlewood's Theatre — Nadine Holdsworth
  • The Fervent Years: The Group Theatre — Harold Clurman
  • Strasberg at the Actors Studio — Robert H. Hethmon, ed.
  • A Method to Their Madness — Foster Hirsch
  • Juilliard — Andrea Olmstead
  • John Houseman: The Years of Liaison — John Houseman
  • Rudolf Steiner: An Introduction to His Life and Work — Gary Lachman
  • Theatre and Everyday Life — Alan Read
  • Brecht on Theatre — Bertolt Brecht (trans. Willett)
  • The Changing Room — David Storey
  • Directors on Directing — Toby Cole & Helen Krich Chinoy, eds.
  • The Actor's Art and Craft — William Esper & Damon DiMarco

Archival Sources

  • Dartington Hall Trust Archive — Devon, England
  • Moscow Art Theatre Museum — Moscow, Russia
  • New York Public Library for the Performing Arts — Billy Rose Theatre Division
  • Actors Studio Archive — New York University
  • Group Theatre Papers — Wisconsin Historical Society
  • Juilliard School Archives — New York
  • Theatre Museum Collection — Victoria and Albert Museum, London
  • Copeau Papers — Bibliothèque nationale de France

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